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Come here, Sebby.

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There's a good baby.

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People think more about getting a phone
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live creature in their lives.

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So every single shelter I know is jam
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chucked out. And they are very, very
expensive dogs that have been dumped.

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French bulldogs.

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Yeah, and doodles and designer dogs.

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Exactly. And the designer dogs are the
ones that are such high maintenance.

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and very high vet fees, so they get
dumped very, very quickly.

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Have you ever known a time where there's
just so much that needs fixing?

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No. With all animals?

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Yeah, it's just extraordinary.

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It seems to be getting worse. Thank God
there are wonderful organizations in the

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world that are working really, really
hard to bring an end to all of this

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cruelty.

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Best friends forever, forever together.

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Walking side by side happily.

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Together,

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forever, whatever the weather.

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Weather is dark, guys are bright.

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Through bumps and downs, I'll be around.

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We always have a dream. Did you hear
back from the senator?

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He did?

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Amazing. So we're going to go and chat
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After thousands of years of direct
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there's been an evolution.

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Now, they're family members.

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That's her farm. That's a new kennel.
Oh, crap.

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And how many have we got coming?

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I've heard people say.

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Why are you worried? It's a dog.

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It's not a dog. It's a sentient being
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It feels pain. It feels hunger. It feels
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It feels friendship and warmth.

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They had a drowning tank with a dangling
dog cage, and they would put it down,

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and they would keep the dog there until
the rope would stop moving.

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This is like the most amazing place for
a dog to explore.

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Right. And they're stuck in a fucking
chicken cage.

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This is big bucks and money talk.

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I mean, the AKC endorses some of these
puppy mills. Right.

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Give me a break.

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Petland is the number one store that
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States. They have a new war chest for
fighting us.

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We know we did it here. We can do it
elsewhere.

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I don't know if I should say the name,
but we're coming for him.

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We live in a one -click society.

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I'm just going to go ahead and get what
I want when I want it.

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Yeah, this is the Britishness of it.
This establishes where we are, the

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location. On a British here, with a
British cup of tea.

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Perfect. So we're going to go from there
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Good news.

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Grace is an old friend of mine who runs
the campaign called Victoria's Lot to

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ban puppies, kittens and rabbits from
pet stores in Pennsylvania.

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And she just emailed to say, would I
come to the state?

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and offer my support.

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Also, while we're in the States, it
would be a great idea to catch up with

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Goodwin, who is the Campaigns Director
for the Humane Society of the United

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States.

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It would be great to touch base and
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politicians and some legislators,

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some lawmakers in the States as well.

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So we'll combine a few.

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important meetings can hopefully
encourage the law to be changed over

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I'm Dr Mark Abraham, a practicing vet
and animal welfare campaigner. We have

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international problem with puppies being
produced on an industrial scale in

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what's known as puppy farms in Europe
and puppy mills in America.

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Dogs are trapped inside tiny cages in
horrendous conditions.

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It's cruel and yet it's legal.

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This film is a call to animal lovers the
world over to join us in protecting

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man's best friend.

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Hi, Eileen. Thanks for calling me back.

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Yeah, I just wanted to ask you a bit of
a favour, actually.

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I'm filming a documentary about dogs,
unsurprisingly, and I was wondering if

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could come to Wales and film you doing
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stuff that you do.

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Awesome. All right, then. I'll give you
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See you then. Take care. Bye -bye.

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Take us offline again.

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Ugh.

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Hello?

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After all this again?

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So boring when they do this.

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It's just the life of a campaigner. You
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overcome.

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In June 2019, the UK government passed
Lucy's Law.

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Everyone here, campaigners, charities,
celebrities, members of the public, to

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everyone who's good news.

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Well done, Mark.

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Well done, Mark. We need more of you.

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Thank you very much.

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The law was named after a tiny Cavalier
King Charles Spaniel called Lucy, who

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was used for breeding on a puppy farm in
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Lucy's law bans pet stores from selling
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Instead, you must first see the puppy
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in the place they were born, making it
much more difficult for puppy farms to

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sell their puppies.

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In America, pet stores still sell
puppies from puppy mills.

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Soon after birth, they're distributed by
truck or plane, travelling hundreds of

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miles.

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I'm going undercover to research what
it's like to be a pet store customer.

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In England, of course, in the UK, that's
illegal for a very good reason.

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Sadly, you've got a pet shop there, and
then you've got a rescue shelter there.

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And how many people should be going
there instead of there? All of them.

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Hello?

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Hey.

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I've been sent by my girlfriend to look
for puppies.

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And I'm from England, and I need your
help.

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I can't take pictures. I can?

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Then I can send... That's really kind of
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Hi. What's that?

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Where do they come from?

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So we get puppies, he's from Ohio.

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Uh -huh. He's from Indiana.

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Oh, wow.

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Indiana. Is that near? Is it far? It's
like mid -USA. Okay. So in the middle.

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And we just had an Aussie that came from
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How did they get here?

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We hired somebody to go pick them up and
bring them back to us. Oh, they don't

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get individual Ubers or anything like
that? Yeah, so it's like one person.

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drive around. So it's a kind of long
wheel. So that way the puppies are

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safe while they're traveling.

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I see.

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Removing puppies from their mothers too
soon means they miss out on a crucial

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period of behavioural development.

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And the journey to the pet store adds
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Puppies are much more likely to develop
nervous aggression, anxiety and be much

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more susceptible to medical diseases
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Buying from a pet store is a lottery.

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And do they get health checks as well
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Yep, they have to give that check across
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before they come to us. Okay.

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They are coming from good, safe places.

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They're socialised, they're vaccinated.

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They're just happy and healthy all
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Okay, so it all sounds very easy. Yeah,
pretty much. Very convenient. Trying to

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make it as easy as possible.

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Awesome.

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If you had zero knowledge of this multi
-billion dollar industry, you could

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easily be fooled into thinking
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This pet store even has a guard at the
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And pups are there, are they? Yes.

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Oh, you've got loads of stuff here.

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And how much are these guys?

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So these two and her, £22.

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And did you have lots more people coming
in during the pandemic? Because in the

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UK, everyone wanted a puppy.

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Wow.

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And at night here, do you take them
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Fascinating.

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Absolutely fascinating.

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No one, if you didn't know about puppy
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mum, you would think that was absolutely
fine. She had every single answer,

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confident, almost kind of believed what
she was doing wasn't implicit in

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cruelty.

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Pet store employees clearly avoid any
mention of the trauma, stress and

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deprivation that takes place inside
puppy mills or on the journey to the pet

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stores.

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Lucy's Law in Great Britain is beginning
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Prosecutions are being made in the
criminal courts.

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The puppy farms still exist, but it's
much harder for them to sell their pups.

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Eileen Jones, who works with me on the
Lucy's Law campaign, helps pick up the

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pieces.

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Where would you like to meet?

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Eileen drives hundreds of miles on her
own every week to collect discarded dogs

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from unscrupulous breeders.

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And how many have we got coming?

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That's fine, whatever. Yeah.

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Whatever's coming, we're quite happy to
take them. No problem at all.

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When a male or female dog is no longer
able to produce puppies, they'll be

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destroyed or discarded by the roadside,
unless Eileen can intervene.

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At the end of every rescue day, Eileen
takes these poor dogs to a safe place to

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meet their new foster carers and begin
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He's probably never been out off the
farm. No. Looks like there's quite a few

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missing. Yes, he's lost a few.

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So he's going to need a dental as well.

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It's been your job in life, hasn't it,
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No more of that nonsense.

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Come on.

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There we are. Good little boy. Good lad.

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I'm heading to South Wales to see the
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string of charity shops

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Nice to see you. And June.

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And this is Maureen, and Maureen is one
of our wonderful volunteers, and she

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foxes for us. Maureen's got some friends
with her as well.

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I brought Coco and Alfie. Coco came in a
few weeks ago. He was a stud dog,

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presumably. He was a stud dog, yes, and
he'd been there nine years.

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It took a bit of getting used to, didn't
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And what sort of state was Coco in when
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Very frightened.

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Not sure what was happening.

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But immediately Alfie was the one.

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Their only safety net and their only
companionship throughout their whole

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has been other dogs.

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They've only ever lived with dogs. They
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humans. So we always insist when they
come into foster, they go with another

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dog, another confident dog.

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Continue learning because it's going to
be a long learning process for them. And

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they learn far more from other dogs than
they ever do from us. Good boy.

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Hola, hola.

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Are you coming over?

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She would have been an ex -breeding
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She's had a tough life, but she's a very
lucky girl that she's come out of it.

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Relatively well off.

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And you're estimating her age at about
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About nine -ish, we think. Which means,
what's the maximum number of litters she

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could have had? She started having
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litters a year.

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So that would be 14 litters in her
lifetime. At least. So we're talking

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potentially 70, maybe more puppies in
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Absolutely.

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I took some photos of her prior to going
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Wow. This is years of suffering.

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This is a huge mess. A dirty mouth, a
diseased mouth, can actually kill a dog

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like this.

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I would say probably 80 % of the dogs
that we have in have to have extensive

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dental work.

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And in this particular case, it was 24
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There we are.

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Ooh.

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There we go. Good girl.

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Look at the difference.

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Gums are so much healthier.

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Good girlie. And it would be very
difficult to do this to a dog with a

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mouth. So the fact that she's even
letting me do this suggests that things

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definitely on the mend.

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Well done, you.

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Dogs from puppy farms often suffer bad
teeth and gums, mostly caused by cheap

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food and chewing the bars of their
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Lucy's law has had a huge impact.

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We have less... contact with unlicensed
breeders and I don't think we ever said

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that it was the answer to it all but it
was the stepping stone and it was the

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start of changing things, changing the
mindset because dogs are relying on us.

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Most of the UK's puppy farms are either
standalone businesses or run alongside

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traditional sheep and cattle farms.

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Rescue shelters are full to capacity of
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these puppy farms.

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The moment you start making a profit
from dogs, there are opportunities to

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compromise welfare because corners will
be cut, and I think that is probably the

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biggest. problem that we're facing paint
the picture what sort of conditions are

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we imagining here very very cramped um
very barren isolated from any human

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contact loose or automatic feeders the
people weren't even coming in to feed

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them properly sometimes there's even a
lack of basic facilities such as a lack

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of light lack of ventilation lack of
heating we've had dogs come in with dead

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puppies stuck inside them still, that
the breeder hasn't even picked up. It's

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unbelievable the condition that they're
coming in with no care for their welfare

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whatsoever, just chasing that bottom
line, that pound.

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I'm currently working on some new
legislation called the Kept Animals

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a bill that tackles several important
animal welfare issues.

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But there are even more problems.

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So -called designer dogs are sometimes
so seriously unhealthy that they

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to give birth and some can't even
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To make matters even worse, there's now
a rise in canine fertility clinics where

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unqualified members of the public are
doing the work of us vets.

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And recently, we've also seen an
increase in puppy smuggling,

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researcher Jenny Mair.

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Hello. Hello.

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How are you doing?

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I'm good, thank you very much. Welcome
to the crew van.

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It's a lovely figure.

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Isn't it? It's a lovely crew van.

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One of Jenny's areas of expertise is
studying criminal activity in the pet

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world. I was under the Operation
Delphine.

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I think there were two vanloads of
puppies coming into Ireland and they

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hidden behind hay bales.

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And there was nearly 100 puppies and
obviously it was extremely hot. They

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weren't being given water and they were
travelling for a long period of time.

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Things like that I've seen, I've
witnessed and they're pretty horrific to

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that scale.

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I know there's a lot worse than that
that goes on.

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If you think about a puppy coming from
Eastern European countries, usually

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they're coming in way too young to be
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They're travelling over huge distances,
often not being given any food and

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water. And in some cases, if for some
reason the shipment can't be taken to

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UK, sometimes puppies are just cast
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When the HMRC set up a special task
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the chances of getting caught are so low
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enforcement. The punishment, if they get
caught, again, is extremely low. And

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actually, there's so few prosecutions in
relation to this. And of course, it can

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take a long time for these cases to be
brought to the court. So we've got a

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interesting but problematic approach to
dealing with the criminals involved in

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this trade.

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Jenny has sent me a link to some new
footage from a puppy farm in Poland.

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This is what the starting point of the
international puppy smuggling trade

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like.

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Thank you.

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One of the campaigners I'm discussing
the Kept Animals bill with is my local

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politician, Caroline Lucas.

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It was actually Caroline who introduced
me to the world of politics.

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and was one of the first MPs to back
Lucy's Law, a law that took over 10

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to get through Parliament.

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Hello. Hi.

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How are you?

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Lovely to see you. Lovely to see you
too.

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Thank you very much for making time for
us. I'm well. How are you? Yeah, really

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good, thank you. Looking forward to
having a nice chat. We're going to have

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chat. So I've got to do a clap, right?
Because we've got to think these multi

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-camera filming. Is that what you call
it? Multi -camera filming?

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So is everyone ready?

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I came to you, in fact, you invited me
to Westminster.

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For me, it was the game changer in so
many ways, actually changed my life.

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So thank you. That was very responsible.

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Yeah, it's your fault.

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There's the Kept to Animals Bill at the
moment, which is a phenomenal piece of

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legislation.

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We're still awaiting its next reading.

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It was introduced in September, but
sadly the Queen passed.

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People often ask, why do things take so
long?

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Yeah. What does make things take so
long? When the government wants to, they

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get a piece of legislation through in a
day. They can.

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Or two days, I guess. A day for the
Commons, a day for the Lords. It is so

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frustrating. People work so hard.

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And what I don't understand is that, you
know, a government, any government that

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is looking to increase its popularity,
why wouldn't you do this bill that

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everybody supports?

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You know, why would you... The phrase
low -hanging fruit.

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I know. This plum is right in your face.
Come on.

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It's... Yeah, it is baffling, frankly.

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The kept animals bill covers a lot of
proposed laws that will not only protect

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pets, but also farm animals as well.

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Politicians are looking for a legacy of
one kind or another, a prime minister

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more than most.

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And so to be able to have that on your
CV, to say, that is what I did, is there

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waiting for him to do it. It wouldn't
take long.

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It would have support, vested interests
of pretty few, relatively speaking,

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versus many other bills that will be on
his desk.

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I'm in Westminster right now, and as you
can hear, that's what's called the

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division bell.

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And that means that whatever MPs are
doing at this moment, they have eight

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minutes to get to the voting lobbies and
cast their vote before the voting

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lobbies are locked and they're not
allowed to vote. So this is the division

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bell, and this is what you're constantly
battling with when you're in

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Westminster having meetings with MPs or
any parliamentarian. Because where that

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goes, they're up.

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How do you

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feel

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to be on this side when you have
campaigners like myself

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running around like driving you crazy?

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No, it's fabulous.

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Because you do all the work.

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Basically, parliamentarians are there at
the very end of all of the campaigners'

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work. We're just there, we pick up the
pieces, we go through the voting lobby

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we speak on it in the chamber. So you've
basically done all the hard work for

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us. Even if you're a person writing to
your MP just one letter about an issue

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you really care about, that makes a
difference because we see it and we know

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that people care about those things.

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How frustrating is it for you sometimes
when you see the kept animals bill is

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stagnating, taking time to go through
Parliament?

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On both sides of the house, I think
there is astonishment that we're

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our feet over this.

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It's not necessary. It's not desirable.
We need to get on and do it and get the

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bill onto the statute book as soon as we
can.

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There are trade -offs that have to be
made.

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Politics is the art of the possible. We
have to achieve what we can achieve and

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then save something for another day if
that's what we have to do.

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I can thank you for raising the profile
and for keeping this at the top of the

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agenda. My pleasure.

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First of all, just give yourselves a
gentle round of applause for coming to

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biggest outdoor meeting we've ever had.
160 of you are here today.

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Every month I have the honour of
chairing the all -party parliamentary

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dog welfare, complete with numerous
experts, politicians and fellow

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It helps inform everyone with the very
latest research into canine welfare.

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Research that I share with my fellow
campaign friend Grace in Pennsylvania,

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who's faced years of disappointment
trying to pass her Victoria's Law bill.

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What would your advice be to American
legislators and politicians in terms of

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what it means to do what's right for
dogs?

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Obviously we're a lot smaller a country,
but if we can do that and if we can get

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that... across europe then obviously
america can do it too and at first they

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might have some pushback and some
resistance and there are people with

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interests but it's still the right thing
to do isn't it and maybe look at the

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way we're doing things and then you know
you haven't got that nightmare of

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potentially neglected or abandoned
animals but there is a dark side

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in the united states very powerful very
rich donors are willing to buy support

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for their causes But I know that a
number of my congressional colleagues on

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Hill take a great pride in their
integrity, in their ability to withstand

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financial, political pressure.

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Some, sadly, less so.

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That has to change.

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Over in America, a small number of
states have recently passed laws banning

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sale of puppies in pet stores.

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California.

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Here we are.

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You've got Maryland.

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You've got New York, which is the most
recent one.

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Thank you, New York State.

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But one of the worst states for dog
abuse, cruelty and exploitation...

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is Pennsylvania with a larger number of
pet stores compared to other states and

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one of the highest concentrations of
puppy mills.

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Something definitely isn't right.

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Hi, John.

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Hi, buddy.

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How's it going?

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Yeah, all good.

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We are in Washington.

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Yes, we are.

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Did you get the... Did you hear back
from the senator?

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You did?

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Amazing. So we're going to go and chat
with him?

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Fantastic.

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Yeah.

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So we're coming to HFUS HQ, the
mothership.

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Awesome, man.

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Yeah, always wanted to see it anyway.

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Is that the president?

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Can we pretend it is?

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Hey.

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So what's going on then?

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Awesome. And then we're going out on the
road.

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Okay. Thank you so much for doing all
that.

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All right. We'll see you in a few days.

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Cheers then. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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So it was great in Pennsylvania.

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and she is helping coordinate all the
people that we're talking to potentially

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over here, and we're going to go on the
road and visit some puppy mills and

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hopefully rescue some dogs.

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So it could potentially be a busy few
days in Pennsylvania, which is great.

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Before I travel to Pennsylvania, I'm
going to visit Maryland, where the state

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government has already banned puppies in
pet stores, one of the most important

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protections provided by Victoria's law.

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But first... I'm heading to the Humane
Society of the United States here in D

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.C. Hey.

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Hey. How are you, buddy? Good to see
you, man. You too.

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Really good to see you. Yeah, yeah.

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One more.

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We have a lot of security.

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I understand to be so. Yeah, you never
know when some angry puppy miller is

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going to come up here.

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And obviously they're aware of you being
here.

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Oh, yeah. For example, when we were
pushing the bill in May, our state

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did get some threats from someone in the
industry.

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The Humane Society is a non -profit
organization who campaign passionately

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animal welfare.

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At the top of their agenda is putting an
end to puppy mill cruelty.

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We're really, really getting into it
now.

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Petland is the number one store that
sells puppy mill puppies in the United

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States. They have a new war test. Every
franchise owner of a Petland store each

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week has to send half a percentage point
of their revenue.

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to Petland Corporate for their war
chest, for hiring lobbyists, for message

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research, for fighting us.

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I estimate it will be anywhere from $1
.5 to $3 million a year extra.

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And last year, they spent about $400
,000 trying to buy support for a bill in

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Florida to stop city councils from
saying no to puppy mills. Fortunately,

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were able to defeat that bill. This
year, they're doing similar bills like

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They're doing bills in Texas.

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We expect Arkansas and Kansas. They've
filed in Missouri and Indiana.

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So there's a lot of places where we're
going to be doing battle with them this

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year. That's just the defense side.

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Incredible. Well, fair play to you.
Yeah.

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The United States Department of
Agriculture, the USDA, with an annual

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$500 billion, has the responsibility of
setting standards for animal welfare.

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The phrase USDA licensed breeder gets
thrown around in the pet store sales

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a lot.

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Licensed means that the breeding mother
dogs...

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can be kept in a cage that's only six
inches longer than her body for her

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life. She can stand on wire flooring her
entire life with her paws never

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touching a blade of grass or her back
ever having sunshine beaming down on it.

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She will be bred every heat cycle
because they're not going to miss a heat

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and miss out on payday with litter of
puppies.

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And then when they're no longer
productive breeders, as they would call

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Usually, that's the death sentence.

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Shot in the head, drowned in a bucket.

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Here's some little tiny puppies over
here, some newborn puppies. Their eyes

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don't look like they're even open yet.

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Hi, baby.

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Hi.

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We're here to help you, baby.

469
00:35:31,330 --> 00:35:36,050
I'm pretty sure on the USDA website and
the American Kennel Club website, the

470
00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:40,090
advice to anyone looking for puppies is
to always see the puppy interacting with

471
00:35:40,090 --> 00:35:41,090
its mom.

472
00:35:41,310 --> 00:35:42,310
So...

473
00:35:43,660 --> 00:35:49,100
Why do they both endorse practices that
sell puppies without the mom present?

474
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,320
It's a very simple answer for the
American Kennel Club, and they're very

475
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,860
reactionary. They oppose most animal
protection legislation that we push here

476
00:35:56,860 --> 00:35:57,860
the United States.

477
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,820
They have hundreds of thousands of
members who are small -scale,

478
00:36:02,820 --> 00:36:08,880
breeders, but those people are producing
maybe, you know, six or seven, maybe 11

479
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,020
or 12 puppies a year.

480
00:36:10,460 --> 00:36:14,240
They're not registering as many puppies
with the American Kennel Club. A puppy

481
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:18,000
mill will come along and they might
register 1 ,000 puppies with the

482
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:23,180
Kennel Club because they're paying 1
,000 registration fees rather than, you

483
00:36:23,180 --> 00:36:28,220
know, 6 or 12 registration fees. They
end up having a dominant voice on the

484
00:36:28,220 --> 00:36:30,440
positions that the AKC takes.

485
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:37,400
The AKC, the American Kennel Club, was
inspired by a dog welfare movement in

486
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:42,900
England. Today, they're the largest
registry of purebred dogs in the US, and

487
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:45,460
asked them very nicely to be in this
film.

488
00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:54,180
If a spokesperson from the American
Kennel Club, the AKC, would just meet us

489
00:36:54,180 --> 00:36:59,240
a chat, either in New York, where
they're based, or in Washington here,

490
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:02,580
got an email back, quite simply says,
no, thank you.

491
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,300
So that's helpful.

492
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:11,350
constructive but yeah it's it's it's uh
hardly surprising either

493
00:37:11,350 --> 00:37:21,350
so

494
00:37:21,350 --> 00:37:23,470
yeah it doesn't always come back yet

495
00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:51,660
Half an hour from D .C. is the city of
Annapolis, the state capital of

496
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,700
John has helped arrange a meeting with
the senator who was behind the recent

497
00:37:56,700 --> 00:37:59,440
on the sale of puppies from Maryland's
pet stores.

498
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,060
Ben Kramer, pleasure.

499
00:38:06,380 --> 00:38:07,380
Lovely to meet you.

500
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,660
Welcome to the great state of Maryland,
and come on in. Thank you so much.

501
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:12,700
Cheers.

502
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:20,540
The public has... No idea what puppy
mills are about, what these breeding

503
00:38:20,540 --> 00:38:27,340
facilities, the horror show. They just
see a beautiful puppy in a dog

504
00:38:27,340 --> 00:38:30,660
store, in a pet store, and have no idea.

505
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:37,680
The puppy mill industry contributes very
heavily to federal

506
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:43,240
legislators. And when I say the
industry, I'm talking about the folks

507
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:44,740
manufacture dog food.

508
00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:51,310
the ones that manufacture dog products.
They work in concert. They create

509
00:38:51,310 --> 00:38:58,110
organizations with names that give the
impression that this is

510
00:38:58,110 --> 00:39:00,490
an animal welfare interest.

511
00:39:00,690 --> 00:39:07,270
The retail sales, they're referring to
the sale

512
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:11,690
of dogs and cats as adoptions. You can
adopt.

513
00:39:12,030 --> 00:39:14,190
I think that's an example.

514
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:21,160
of the deceit we're going to
pennsylvania next what would be your

515
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,840
getting that over the line and matching
you and the few other states that have

516
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:31,700
achieved such greatness you have to be
prepared to be in for the long haul and

517
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:38,660
uh and live with the consequences of the
fact that um it takes a while i've

518
00:39:38,660 --> 00:39:44,120
worked on legislation that has taken in
one instance nine years

519
00:39:44,890 --> 00:39:49,610
to get a bill passed, and another
measure that took me 11 years.

520
00:39:49,830 --> 00:39:55,450
And in both instances, people would then
say, how did it not happen until now?

521
00:39:55,850 --> 00:40:00,610
What are your dog's names, so I can add
them to your... Oh, that list is longer.

522
00:40:00,610 --> 00:40:05,370
You don't have enough pages in that
book. But I'll tell you what. Here's

523
00:40:05,570 --> 00:40:07,170
Oh, my words. Look at that.

524
00:40:07,390 --> 00:40:13,410
And Duke had spent his first 11 months
tied in a garage.

525
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:20,020
with zero human interaction the group i
work with the doberman rescue group said

526
00:40:20,020 --> 00:40:26,780
look this dog is a nightmare because he
knows nothing he doesn't know it's bad

527
00:40:26,780 --> 00:40:32,300
to bite you're our last best hope or
he's going to have to be put down so i

528
00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:37,920
that sounds like about a seven hour
drive from my house i'll be there

529
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,720
have my dog leash a pocket full of dog
treats

530
00:40:42,460 --> 00:40:47,500
And I step out into the backyard, and
here comes this Doberman charging at me.

531
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:53,240
I just, just as I know he's ready to
leap at me, I just turn my back, and he

532
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:54,860
slams into my back.

533
00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:00,700
I turn around. Here he comes again. Turn
my back. Slams into my back.

534
00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:02,820
We do this seven or eight times.

535
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:09,880
Finally, I turn around, and he's now
sitting there quizzically looking at me

536
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,390
like, That's not a reaction I've ever
had when I've done this before. People

537
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:18,250
normally go crazy and, you know, and he
just assumes that's okay.

538
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:25,370
I put a collar on him, put a dog lead on
him, and start pulling out treats.

539
00:41:25,890 --> 00:41:31,070
He starts figuring out if he does
something bad, I'm going to just turn my

540
00:41:31,070 --> 00:41:34,290
and ignore him, which he doesn't want.
He wants my attention.

541
00:41:34,730 --> 00:41:39,310
But if it was happening the right way,
he's getting a treat.

542
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,960
Within an hour, I go up, I knock on the
woman's door, and she comes over, the

543
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,320
foster mom, and she looks, and I go,
Duke's sick.

544
00:41:49,220 --> 00:41:53,400
And he puts his little tooth down on the
ground, hand him a treat, and she goes,

545
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,460
oh, my God, what has happened here?

546
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,180
And I said, Duke's coming home with me.

547
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:26,750
The next morning, on my way to
Pennsylvania, I noticed a closed

548
00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:30,730
store, a casualty of Senator Kramer's
excellent new law.

549
00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:33,990
I'm going to look through the hole.

550
00:42:54,060 --> 00:42:57,840
This is a pet store that previously sold
puppies.

551
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:05,160
And when you see some of the wording,
you've got USDA breeders. That means

552
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,720
they're licensed by the government.

553
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,000
That's a federal thing.

554
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,120
Of course, the breeders are puppy mills,
and puppy mills are licensed.

555
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,840
There's no mums in this store when it
was open. This is all just puppies.

556
00:43:17,140 --> 00:43:21,180
Vet -certified, who knows what that
means, what the vets are certifying,

557
00:43:21,180 --> 00:43:22,900
the vets ever did certify anything.

558
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,480
But again, it's wording that's very
powerful and it gives the impression

559
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,720
a legitimate animal welfare
organisation.

560
00:43:30,180 --> 00:43:34,720
Interesting down here, you've got no
trespassing, no cameras, no video. Why?

561
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:35,960
What have they got to hide?

562
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,280
We know.

563
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,840
But it's just interesting that that's so
visible.

564
00:43:41,940 --> 00:43:44,960
And then 20 ,000 customers again. Who
knows?

565
00:43:45,660 --> 00:43:47,180
It's misleading the customer.

566
00:43:48,180 --> 00:43:49,940
Why wouldn't you buy from here?

567
00:44:04,780 --> 00:44:08,500
We've got some good news today. We've
got an email from the clerk of the ESPRA

568
00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:09,500
Select Committee.

569
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,540
Just to let you know, we have just
launched a new inquiry into pet welfare

570
00:44:13,540 --> 00:44:17,820
abuse, which includes the issue of
canine fertility clinics, specifically

571
00:44:17,820 --> 00:44:18,820
terms of reference.

572
00:44:19,780 --> 00:44:22,560
In Britain, this is actually huge
progress.

573
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,180
And along with the kept animals bill, it
will be a big step in the right

574
00:44:27,180 --> 00:44:28,180
direction.

575
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:34,410
And I'm very proud to be a teeny tiny...
part in all this.

576
00:44:35,810 --> 00:44:38,630
And hopefully we'll change more laws to
protect dogs.

577
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:59,350
I'm meeting my old friend Grace.

578
00:44:59,830 --> 00:45:02,770
Grace rescues ex -breeding dogs from
puppy mills.

579
00:45:06,090 --> 00:45:11,850
In 2017, one particular breeding dog, a
German shepherd she named Victoria,

580
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:16,270
became the focus of another important
campaign to change the law.

581
00:45:17,410 --> 00:45:22,730
Peter Egan, myself, and a few other
familiar faces worked with Grace

582
00:45:22,730 --> 00:45:27,090
Victoria's Law, which proposes a ban on
the sale of puppies in pet stores.

583
00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:32,610
Victoria's Law has been repeatedly
rejected by Pennsylvania's state

584
00:45:51,660 --> 00:45:52,660
Hello. Welcome.

585
00:45:52,940 --> 00:45:56,880
How are you doing? Good to see you. Nice
to see you too. Been a while.

586
00:45:57,660 --> 00:45:58,660
Come on in.

587
00:45:58,780 --> 00:46:00,000
Thank you very much.

588
00:46:01,420 --> 00:46:02,420
Lead the way.

589
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,840
How's everything been so far? Where have
you been?

590
00:46:06,100 --> 00:46:10,000
Yeah, it's good. We've been to D .C.,
we've been to Annapolis, Maryland.

591
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,180
Met some very interesting people.

592
00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:15,460
Wonderful. Well, I have been working
hard here in Pennsylvania.

593
00:46:15,740 --> 00:46:20,720
Okay. And trying to set up some great
people for you to talk to.

594
00:46:21,150 --> 00:46:22,330
And plan to rescue.

595
00:46:22,650 --> 00:46:23,650
Why, thank you very much.

596
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:29,010
I've scheduled a meeting for you with
Representative Jeannie McNeil, a

597
00:46:29,010 --> 00:46:34,590
from the Pennsylvania State House. Okay.
And I'm trying to set up something for

598
00:46:34,590 --> 00:46:39,330
a Republican, and I've been talking to
Senator Tracy Pennycook.

599
00:46:39,530 --> 00:46:45,910
Amazing. She was the prime sponsor of
Victoria's Law last session, and she's

600
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:49,650
expressed an interest in maybe going and
rescuing some dogs from some farms and

601
00:46:49,650 --> 00:46:50,650
puppy mills with us.

602
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:56,180
Wow. So we've got talking to
politicians, dog rescue, and visiting

603
00:46:56,180 --> 00:46:59,000
potentially with an actual Republican
senator.

604
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:04,200
Who has never been before, so this would
be a first -time experience. An eye

605
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,480
-opener. It would be a huge eye -opening
experience, but then she can speak

606
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,080
firsthand about exactly what is going on
in Pennsylvania.

607
00:47:11,420 --> 00:47:14,080
Incredible. So you've been working hard
behind the scenes then?

608
00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:15,299
Doing my best.

609
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:16,300
And wearing purple?

610
00:47:16,580 --> 00:47:17,580
As always.

611
00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:23,780
Just like me, Grace also understands the
importance of working with both sides

612
00:47:23,780 --> 00:47:24,900
of the political divide.

613
00:47:25,340 --> 00:47:30,860
One way of showing this is her smart use
of the colour purple, an equal mix of

614
00:47:30,860 --> 00:47:33,020
Republican red and Democrat blue.

615
00:47:38,860 --> 00:47:44,160
One of the best possible ways to get any
politician to engage with a bill and

616
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,250
then hopefully get their vote to help
pass it... It's to get them to see the

617
00:47:48,250 --> 00:47:50,570
actual evidence with their own eyes.

618
00:47:51,570 --> 00:47:55,530
Hey. Hi. I want to introduce you to...
Hi, Tracy. So good to meet you, Tracy.

619
00:47:55,530 --> 00:47:56,650
Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.

620
00:47:56,890 --> 00:48:02,290
Dr. Mark Abraham. He is... Yeah. Very
cool. Doctor of... Oh, very cool. In the

621
00:48:02,290 --> 00:48:05,510
UK. In the UK, yeah. We're in the UK. I
live in Brighton.

622
00:48:06,030 --> 00:48:09,690
I don't know if you know Brighton. I do.
An hour south of London. I do. On the

623
00:48:09,690 --> 00:48:10,950
beach. I lived in Jordan.

624
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:13,060
You did not. I did.

625
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,620
So one of my best friends lives in
Jordan. No.

626
00:48:15,860 --> 00:48:16,799
Ozzy Osbourne.

627
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:17,800
No.

628
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,040
See? Common ground.

629
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:26,140
One of the things when I tell people
about meeting politicians, I find common

630
00:48:26,140 --> 00:48:27,058
ground immediately.

631
00:48:27,060 --> 00:48:29,920
But it doesn't often happen that
quickly. Well, first of all... Or

632
00:48:30,140 --> 00:48:31,220
I am not a politician.

633
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,740
Okay. I refuse that title. Okay. I am
just serving my community. This was

634
00:48:36,740 --> 00:48:38,620
a goal, to be fair. You're not a career
politician.

635
00:48:38,820 --> 00:48:40,100
No, I was a helicopter pilot.

636
00:48:48,830 --> 00:48:54,530
So today we're going to six farms, and I
will let you know before we go to the

637
00:48:54,530 --> 00:48:58,310
farm, should you get out of the car,
should you not, because every farm,

638
00:48:58,310 --> 00:49:01,950
family, every kennel is different, and I
just want to be very respectful of them

639
00:49:01,950 --> 00:49:07,190
because they're allowing me to go and
get these dogs for free. That's a huge

640
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:10,630
deal. When they're giving up something
for free, we have to make sure that we

641
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:11,910
follow through with respect.

642
00:49:18,830 --> 00:49:19,930
This is Lancaster, yeah?

643
00:49:20,530 --> 00:49:21,530
Yeah.

644
00:49:26,190 --> 00:49:29,650
You'll notice if there are no cars in
the driveway, if there's laundry out,

645
00:49:29,650 --> 00:49:31,290
that's usually Amish.

646
00:49:34,730 --> 00:49:38,410
It's a very interesting group of people.

647
00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:43,510
They don't teach their children to speak
English until they're five years old.

648
00:49:44,450 --> 00:49:46,790
They only speak Pennsylvania Dutch to
them.

649
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:53,840
Grace drives over 200 miles into
Lancaster County every single week.

650
00:49:54,060 --> 00:49:58,700
There are around 5 ,000 farms here,
owned by the Amish.

651
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:05,940
Lancaster County is a major supply chain
that deliver puppies directly into pet

652
00:50:05,940 --> 00:50:06,940
stores.

653
00:50:07,740 --> 00:50:12,500
Through sheer perseverance, Grace has
been allowed special access to this

654
00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:14,340
traditional religious community.

655
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,040
to pick up the dogs that can no longer
produce puppies.

656
00:50:19,180 --> 00:50:23,280
Our camera crew and Senator Pennycook
are in the second car.

657
00:50:24,420 --> 00:50:26,520
I guess we can turn the cameras on.

658
00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:28,720
There we go. Yeah, see a red light.

659
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,300
Yeah, it looks red.

660
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,080
I've been here.

661
00:50:37,060 --> 00:50:38,060
I've been here.

662
00:50:38,140 --> 00:50:39,140
Is that good or bad?

663
00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:42,180
I don't know.

664
00:50:47,390 --> 00:50:48,410
We've been spotted.

665
00:50:48,970 --> 00:50:50,350
Okay. We've been spotted.

666
00:50:50,750 --> 00:50:51,609
We have?

667
00:50:51,610 --> 00:50:52,610
We're here.

668
00:51:03,150 --> 00:51:10,070
Good morning.

669
00:51:10,190 --> 00:51:12,830
I'm here to pick up the dogs. Oh, okay.
Is your dad home?

670
00:51:13,410 --> 00:51:14,410
Uh, no.

671
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,020
Okay, can you get the dogs for me? Okay,
thank you.

672
00:51:18,020 --> 00:51:19,080
That's good then, right?

673
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:20,720
The dad's not here.

674
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:22,740
Um, probably.

675
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:31,460
Frenchie. Yeah.

676
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:32,820
Do they have a name?

677
00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:34,300
Yeah, Rosie.

678
00:51:34,580 --> 00:51:38,120
Rosie? Good morning, Rosie. Have you
been digging in the mud, huh?

679
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,500
There you go, sweet Rosie. She had pups
recently? No, that's why we're here.

680
00:51:44,220 --> 00:51:45,220
Too many goals.

681
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,600
Hey. Okay. I'll put her in the middle
over here.

682
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,600
And she's a mini golden doodle. Yeah.

683
00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:01,100
We can put her right over there if
that's okay.

684
00:52:05,420 --> 00:52:09,240
That was nice and quick.

685
00:52:09,780 --> 00:52:10,780
Yeah.

686
00:52:13,740 --> 00:52:16,520
Now I'm swapping cars with Senator
Pennycook.

687
00:52:22,100 --> 00:52:24,940
So I spend a lot of time in Lancaster
County.

688
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,280
The Amish are lovely people. It's a very
close society.

689
00:52:29,140 --> 00:52:33,160
They interact with the English, and
we're all called English if we're non

690
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,400
-Amish. But they do interact with the
English because they need to

691
00:52:36,780 --> 00:52:38,000
I mean, that's their reality.

692
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,700
They have to still pay taxes on their
land, and they have to generate some

693
00:52:42,700 --> 00:52:43,700
income to do that.

694
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,700
There's a rabbit hutch right there. Oh,
look at that. Yep.

695
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:48,520
There's a dog on the back.

696
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:50,600
Oh, more down there.

697
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,680
Yep. Look at this one.

698
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,100
Yep, there's another one. There's
another puppy. And who knows what

699
00:52:57,100 --> 00:52:57,738
in there.

700
00:52:57,740 --> 00:53:01,960
All you have to do is look just a little
bit to your left and right, and they're

701
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:02,960
everywhere.

702
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:04,480
Oh, boy.

703
00:53:08,279 --> 00:53:11,560
This next one, you can't get out of the
car or talk to them.

704
00:53:11,940 --> 00:53:16,040
He's a pretty nice guy, but he gave me
two German Shepherds, and there was all

705
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,840
this question of who owned them, and he
got really spooked.

706
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:26,020
Good morning. I didn't hear back from
you. I hope I'm not disturbing you.

707
00:53:27,660 --> 00:53:29,800
That's a multi -million dollar property.

708
00:53:31,420 --> 00:53:32,420
Does he have a name?

709
00:53:33,380 --> 00:53:36,880
I forget what they call it. No name.
He's got the name. Yeah.

710
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,500
Well, we'll think of a new one for you,
buddy.

711
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:44,220
He has some trouble breathing from that.
It's just because he's excited. You

712
00:53:44,220 --> 00:53:45,400
don't hear it very often. Okay.

713
00:53:49,340 --> 00:53:51,900
He's not your dog, right? He was
somebody else's?

714
00:53:52,220 --> 00:53:55,140
And you don't have any rabies or
anything on him, right? Well, he has

715
00:53:55,140 --> 00:53:57,300
but he didn't give me the paper. Okay.

716
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:08,940
In the past 17 months, I've put 25 ,000
miles on my van and rescued 700 animals,

717
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,220
and 22 of them were cats and the rest
were dogs.

718
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:18,940
One farm where one of my dogs, the first
puppy mill dog I ever rescued, which

719
00:54:18,940 --> 00:54:24,900
was a Chihuahua mixed name Sweet Pea,
they had a drowning tank with a dangling

720
00:54:24,900 --> 00:54:29,800
dog cage, and they would put it down,
and they would keep the dog there until

721
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,040
the rope would stop moving.

722
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,000
Many of them were shot.

723
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,220
Horrible, terrible things that would
happen to these dogs who did nothing

724
00:54:43,220 --> 00:54:49,120
except for just be unwanted or
unproductive in a profit -making

725
00:54:50,780 --> 00:54:54,000
Remember the picture I sent of the dog
in the rabbit hut?

726
00:54:54,260 --> 00:54:55,520
Yes. This is it.

727
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:56,760
Oh, shit.

728
00:54:57,140 --> 00:54:58,140
Okay.

729
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:01,240
Stopped to pee right through the thing.

730
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:08,720
Hi, sweet girl.

731
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,760
Hey, baby. How you doing?

732
00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:14,400
She came out of a barn with horses right
next to her.

733
00:55:14,620 --> 00:55:15,620
Hey, baby.

734
00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:17,500
We're going to check out your friend,
too.

735
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:19,480
Hey.

736
00:55:19,820 --> 00:55:20,820
There he is.

737
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:22,560
Hi, Mr. Man.

738
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,880
Hi. Oh, my gosh. You're beautiful. He
smells very interesting.

739
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,160
See those bottom canines? They're
broken. Yeah, they're all broken off.

740
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:32,780
from chewing the bars, isn't it? I would
have thought.

741
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,520
So he's been a stud dog for eight years.
Oh.

742
00:55:36,979 --> 00:55:37,979
No more.

743
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:39,120
No more.

744
00:55:40,340 --> 00:55:45,280
Oh, it makes me so happy and so sad at
the same time. I'm like, just want them

745
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:46,840
to hurry up and be better.

746
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:48,140
Like, immediately.

747
00:55:48,460 --> 00:55:50,480
I know. Well, he's all one step closer.

748
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,300
Yeah. He's definitely smiling. Yeah. And
he wasn't when he got in. No.

749
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,040
You're going to be all right.

750
00:55:58,300 --> 00:56:00,280
You stay with Grace. Okay. Yeah, yeah,
cool.

751
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,800
Oh, Rosie, she was expecting the
Labradoodle. Did she call you and tell

752
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,240
she's not at home? No.

753
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,700
I thought she was going to take care of
it before she leaves, but I can probably

754
00:56:22,700 --> 00:56:23,700
figure it out.

755
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:31,880
That building down there is stuffed with
dogs.

756
00:56:32,300 --> 00:56:35,180
She probably has 50 dogs in there. Oh,
my God, you're kidding.

757
00:56:35,660 --> 00:56:37,520
In that little shed right there?

758
00:56:38,420 --> 00:56:39,420
Yes.

759
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:41,040
Holy cow.

760
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:43,630
Oh, my God.

761
00:56:44,050 --> 00:56:45,050
Where are we going to put him?

762
00:56:46,430 --> 00:56:47,430
Oh, my God.

763
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:56,470
Thank you. Thank you so much. I
appreciate it.

764
00:56:57,230 --> 00:56:58,230
No,

765
00:56:58,950 --> 00:57:00,870
we never pay. We never pay for dogs.
Yeah.

766
00:57:04,370 --> 00:57:09,230
Well, the golden retriever just became
the second most medically needy. Oh.

767
00:57:14,890 --> 00:57:19,130
All right, now I'm on the hunt for... It
gets obsessive. Yeah.

768
00:57:19,490 --> 00:57:21,410
Oh, there they are. Right there.

769
00:57:21,890 --> 00:57:25,490
In front of that barn.

770
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:29,450
And then this side.

771
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:31,990
Oh, there's the dog kennel facing that
way.

772
00:57:33,110 --> 00:57:36,510
Kind of makes me want to get back to the
army stealth mode and just go in in the

773
00:57:36,510 --> 00:57:37,970
middle of the night and let them all
out. Right.

774
00:57:38,750 --> 00:57:41,830
The problem is they'd all run back. They
don't know anything else.

775
00:57:51,700 --> 00:57:53,500
Public auction, three acres.

776
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,880
Wow. The Amish live for auctions.

777
00:57:57,140 --> 00:57:58,118
Oh, I know.

778
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,640
And there's no way that they will let
any English person outbid them. I know.

779
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,120
Their church has enough money. They're
rolling in the money.

780
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:05,320
Yeah.

781
00:58:07,700 --> 00:58:09,540
But they're paying their taxes, I'm
sure.

782
00:58:20,270 --> 00:58:21,270
This is not a cheap property.

783
00:58:22,430 --> 00:58:23,910
How much would this be then?

784
00:58:24,170 --> 00:58:25,170
A couple million.

785
00:58:25,890 --> 00:58:28,030
And what land have they got? Just here?

786
00:58:28,370 --> 00:58:29,470
Probably all around.

787
00:58:29,710 --> 00:58:30,750
Probably everything you see.

788
00:58:30,990 --> 00:58:32,870
Yeah. It's so twisted.

789
00:58:33,070 --> 00:58:34,270
It's very twisted.

790
00:58:34,810 --> 00:58:39,270
This is like the most amazing place for
a dog to explore.

791
00:58:39,610 --> 00:58:41,870
Right. And they're stuck in a fucking
chicken cage.

792
00:58:49,450 --> 00:58:53,430
People always ask me the question of why
I enable the Amish.

793
00:58:54,170 --> 00:58:56,510
I'm not enabling them because I'm not
paying them.

794
00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:59,010
To me, my focus is on the dog.

795
00:58:59,430 --> 00:59:05,130
And they deserve, and I use the word
deserve in this life very sparingly, but

796
00:59:05,130 --> 00:59:07,030
these animals deserve their freedom.

797
00:59:08,070 --> 00:59:12,630
What a good boy. Good boy.

798
00:59:13,330 --> 00:59:18,250
You're a little scared. It's okay. Come
on. Let's go. Come on.

799
00:59:20,830 --> 00:59:27,830
a little start helps start now come on
come on yeah there we go buddy come

800
00:59:27,830 --> 00:59:30,570
on let me open the back all right there

801
00:59:30,570 --> 00:59:38,090
we

802
00:59:38,090 --> 00:59:44,710
go oh i have to give you a hug you're
just so

803
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:49,220
incredibly Kind to me. Every single time
you always help with my gas money and I

804
00:59:49,220 --> 00:59:50,220
appreciate it.

805
00:59:51,860 --> 00:59:56,740
So incredibly kind that she gave you
money. They do every time I come here.

806
00:59:57,500 --> 00:59:59,760
13 years of work. That's what that says.

807
01:00:00,380 --> 01:00:05,220
The barn upsets me to see the dogs
living there. But they're not terrible

808
01:00:05,220 --> 01:00:06,220
people.

809
01:00:11,780 --> 01:00:13,000
Down the hollow.

810
01:00:14,850 --> 01:00:16,170
I've never been here before.

811
01:00:16,910 --> 01:00:19,890
Yeah, I would never in a million years
drive down this road.

812
01:00:21,830 --> 01:00:25,530
Let me get a lay of the land. There are
dogs right in there. See? Right there.

813
01:00:25,550 --> 01:00:26,550
Oh, my God.

814
01:00:28,950 --> 01:00:32,890
This time, it's the senator who chooses
to do some undercover filming.

815
01:00:33,150 --> 01:00:37,130
We've got to try to find this boy a
home. It's been difficult with Huskies.

816
01:00:37,130 --> 01:00:40,850
seems like everybody's full, right?
Yeah.

817
01:00:44,810 --> 01:00:45,810
That kennel's disgusting.

818
01:00:46,170 --> 01:00:47,610
Oh, my God, did you smell that?

819
01:00:47,950 --> 01:00:50,510
Oh, my God. And he knew we were coming.

820
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:52,030
Oh.

821
01:00:56,110 --> 01:01:00,970
I'm told that the owner of the final
farm we visit today is proud of his

822
01:01:00,970 --> 01:01:01,970
mill.

823
01:01:02,090 --> 01:01:03,990
This is all their property.

824
01:01:04,590 --> 01:01:05,590
Wow.

825
01:01:06,210 --> 01:01:11,150
Grace has called ahead to tell him about
our camera crew. He seemed OK to let us

826
01:01:11,150 --> 01:01:13,290
film. This could actually be a first.

827
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:15,520
Oh, there you are.

828
01:01:16,660 --> 01:01:19,720
Are you still okay for them to stand in
the door?

829
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:21,280
Okay, wonderful.

830
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,060
I love this barn. It's beautiful.

831
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:25,419
Isn't it?

832
01:01:25,420 --> 01:01:28,920
Oh, thank you.

833
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,880
How do you see it all?

834
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,200
Oh, no.

835
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:05,040
When did you build them?

836
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:07,520
Two years ago.

837
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,920
You were ready for the pandemic puppy
boom, huh?

838
01:02:15,660 --> 01:02:17,580
They have electricity.

839
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,780
They've got running water. They have an
air filtration system, heated floors.

840
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,860
It's not the common kennel that you see.

841
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:28,620
It's a state -of -the -art kennel.

842
01:02:29,180 --> 01:02:33,180
It is everything that the Commonwealth
of Pennsylvania asked for.

843
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,840
when they ask for a kennel to be built.

844
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:41,960
This is about as good as a puppy mill
gets, but there is no comfy bedding to

845
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,560
sleep on or any obvious sign of
compassion or kindness.

846
01:02:47,060 --> 01:02:48,060
No toys.

847
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,320
No. No enrichment.

848
01:02:50,780 --> 01:02:51,780
No. That's it.

849
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,860
These puppies face long journeys crammed
into the back of vans with lots of

850
01:02:57,860 --> 01:03:02,140
other puppies, all completely terrified
and often riddled with disease.

851
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,320
and then sold in pet stores.

852
01:03:12,740 --> 01:03:16,940
Mothers and stud dogs in puppy mills are
trapped here for life.

853
01:03:21,780 --> 01:03:22,780
All right.

854
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,200
Thank you so much. All right.

855
01:03:26,180 --> 01:03:27,800
We've got to get going.

856
01:03:28,300 --> 01:03:31,340
We're the first and possibly the last
who will ever see that.

857
01:03:37,550 --> 01:03:40,070
I did not think he was going to follow
through on that.

858
01:03:40,350 --> 01:03:42,090
And he wasn't even nervous about it.

859
01:03:50,450 --> 01:03:55,810
He sells to a dealer. So they're
probably selling those puppies for about

860
01:03:55,810 --> 01:03:56,669
grand online.

861
01:03:56,670 --> 01:03:57,670
Oh, my God.

862
01:03:58,490 --> 01:03:59,490
Are you serious?

863
01:03:59,550 --> 01:04:01,010
Yeah. Oh, shit.

864
01:04:01,270 --> 01:04:07,000
I mean, and yes, it's a nice commercial
kennel, but it's still a... It's still

865
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,160
puppy milk. Still a puppy milk.

866
01:04:08,500 --> 01:04:09,500
Yeah.

867
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:15,100
And, I mean, there were idiots out here
buying French Bulldogs for 10 grand a

868
01:04:15,100 --> 01:04:16,820
pop during the pandemic.

869
01:04:17,620 --> 01:04:23,440
And if they were a lilac blue, they were
paying 15 ,000 for them just to have a

870
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,180
Frenchie. I don't even know what lilac
blue is, but okay. It's gray.

871
01:04:25,500 --> 01:04:26,500
Oh.

872
01:05:07,820 --> 01:05:08,820
I'm a traffic jam.

873
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:10,040
Here you go.

874
01:05:15,500 --> 01:05:20,060
Victoria's Law, that Grace and most
animal lovers in Pennsylvania

875
01:05:20,060 --> 01:05:25,020
want to be voted into legislation, is
named after a dog she rescued from a

876
01:05:25,020 --> 01:05:27,120
mill right here in Lancaster County.

877
01:05:27,580 --> 01:05:30,340
She lived in that trapeze -shaped
building.

878
01:05:31,580 --> 01:05:35,420
That's her farm. That's a new kennel
that they put up up there on the hill

879
01:05:35,420 --> 01:05:36,460
the... That's new.

880
01:05:36,830 --> 01:05:37,830
Oh, crap.

881
01:05:37,930 --> 01:05:39,050
So they haven't learned.

882
01:05:39,290 --> 01:05:40,370
Oh, that's my girls.

883
01:05:42,610 --> 01:05:44,150
Nope, they've expanded.

884
01:05:47,150 --> 01:05:48,210
They've expanded.

885
01:05:48,850 --> 01:05:49,850
Horrible.

886
01:05:56,230 --> 01:06:01,790
Victoria was a magical, wonderful,
amazing German shepherd.

887
01:06:02,850 --> 01:06:08,900
And... I had the absolute honor of
rescuing her. When she was 10 years old,

888
01:06:08,900 --> 01:06:14,680
had produced over 150 puppies, and she
had developed a limp.

889
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:19,640
And when she could no longer physically
stand to be bred is when they decided

890
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,060
that they would give her up.

891
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,440
The man said if she could still stand, I
would still breed her.

892
01:06:26,020 --> 01:06:29,460
And as you know, she wound up coming
home with me.

893
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,880
And that dog has changed my life.

894
01:06:34,540 --> 01:06:37,760
She was scared.

895
01:06:38,300 --> 01:06:44,380
She was even slightly growly when we
first got her.

896
01:06:45,140 --> 01:06:50,220
And she appeared to be broken.

897
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,260
And as we know, no dog is broken.

898
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,120
And if they are, it's temporary.

899
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:18,840
Is this okay?

900
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:24,140
We often do get a lot of, like... I'm
going to move it as soon as we... No.

901
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,040
No. Oh, she's so scared.

902
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:30,400
No. You okay, Mom?

903
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,920
Good girl.

904
01:07:36,380 --> 01:07:37,380
Good girl.

905
01:07:37,420 --> 01:07:38,420
All right.

906
01:07:39,020 --> 01:07:40,400
It's all right. You're okay.

907
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,600
It's all right. You're in safe hands.

908
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:44,240
Mark, what did you call him?

909
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:45,880
What's this one's name? Peter Bear.

910
01:07:46,100 --> 01:07:47,100
Peter Bear. Yeah.

911
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:48,439
Come here, Peter Bear.

912
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:50,620
Come here, Peter Bear. Come on, baby.

913
01:07:51,220 --> 01:07:52,220
Come on.

914
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,280
Oh, good boy.

915
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:57,000
Here comes Peter Bear.

916
01:07:57,460 --> 01:07:58,560
It suits him.

917
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:00,400
Come on, sweetheart.

918
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,520
Come on, Peter Bear. Come on, Peter
Bear. Come on.

919
01:08:11,210 --> 01:08:15,810
You can see his jaw. His max was quite
short. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His max and

920
01:08:15,810 --> 01:08:16,709
mandible there.

921
01:08:16,710 --> 01:08:18,050
It's just a congenital defect.

922
01:08:18,729 --> 01:08:19,910
He was born that way.

923
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:23,729
Two of the puppies that come from them
have a similar defect. More than likely,

924
01:08:23,729 --> 01:08:24,729
yeah.

925
01:08:25,170 --> 01:08:28,149
You can hear with him his breathing is
quite abnormal.

926
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:31,310
He's got a lot of little malodor in
there. He's probably a little yeast

927
01:08:31,310 --> 01:08:33,310
infection. Here's a little ground
discharge.

928
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:36,069
Yeah, that should be cleared up with a
little medication.

929
01:08:37,350 --> 01:08:38,350
You'll go wide wide, huh?

930
01:08:38,529 --> 01:08:42,010
Yeah. I only have like 20 minutes. Okay.
Hi, baby. How are you?

931
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:43,229
I'm good. Good to see you.

932
01:08:43,950 --> 01:08:47,790
So, this is Dr. Tim Schwab. This is
Sarah Spurgeon.

933
01:08:48,109 --> 01:08:51,290
What's up? This is Senator Tracy
Pennycook. Hi. How are you?

934
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:52,810
Nice to meet you, Tracy.

935
01:08:53,229 --> 01:08:56,770
And I think you remember Mark Abraham?
Yeah, we met once before. Let's see you.

936
01:08:56,770 --> 01:08:57,770
Let's see you, man.

937
01:08:58,189 --> 01:08:59,890
Things good? Yeah, we're good.

938
01:09:00,550 --> 01:09:02,510
We're having a chat with you. You got 20
minutes.

939
01:09:03,569 --> 01:09:04,790
Go for it. Sounds good.

940
01:09:08,140 --> 01:09:10,200
Come on, sweet. Oh, good girl.

941
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:12,880
Oh, good girl. You want to go in the
grass?

942
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:14,479
Yeah, look at that.

943
01:09:14,979 --> 01:09:19,160
Tell us about some of the surgical,
medical behavior issues you see with the

944
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:20,059
breeding moms.

945
01:09:20,060 --> 01:09:21,700
I can't begin to tell.

946
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:27,220
I mean, I have worked with rescues that
are taking dogs from all sorts of places

947
01:09:27,220 --> 01:09:31,359
in this area, and I've seen some of the
worst disasters you can imagine.

948
01:09:31,660 --> 01:09:35,319
I've seen organs in the wrong place.
I've seen organs outside of the body.

949
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:37,060
seen fractures. I've seen...

950
01:09:37,390 --> 01:09:40,050
Um, just, just disastrous.

951
01:09:40,529 --> 01:09:44,090
Did she have an issue walking or is she
just? She was just scared when he, and

952
01:09:44,090 --> 01:09:45,529
he carried her out. So I don't know.

953
01:09:45,870 --> 01:09:47,670
We can try her. Yeah, we'll see.

954
01:09:48,529 --> 01:09:52,290
The first breeding mom I ever met, ever
met. It was horrible.

955
01:09:54,790 --> 01:09:58,630
In a plywood box with enough room for
just a bowl.

956
01:09:59,210 --> 01:10:00,169
Just a bowl.

957
01:10:00,170 --> 01:10:04,170
No light, no interaction. I will throw
in your bowl. I'm not going to clean up

958
01:10:04,170 --> 01:10:04,969
your mess.

959
01:10:04,970 --> 01:10:09,190
And it just, that was the first time I
ever went to help get dogs, and I was

960
01:10:09,190 --> 01:10:11,530
like, this is nuts. It has to stop.

961
01:10:11,890 --> 01:10:14,330
What you've described can be quite
normal, right?

962
01:10:14,550 --> 01:10:16,650
Normal. It is the norm, it seems.

963
01:10:17,290 --> 01:10:22,490
There's dogs in rabbit cages, there's
dogs in boxes, there's dogs on straw in

964
01:10:22,490 --> 01:10:24,490
sort of agricultural buildings.

965
01:10:24,710 --> 01:10:25,790
I wish I knew which was worse.

966
01:10:26,610 --> 01:10:31,850
You don't know how this mom has been
used as a vehicle for nothing else but

967
01:10:31,850 --> 01:10:32,850
produce puppies.

968
01:10:33,450 --> 01:10:34,630
We got to name this one.

969
01:10:34,930 --> 01:10:39,570
There we go.

970
01:10:42,770 --> 01:10:44,530
I love her face.

971
01:10:44,750 --> 01:10:45,529
I know.

972
01:10:45,530 --> 01:10:47,290
She's got a very sweet face. I'm sorry.

973
01:10:48,610 --> 01:10:50,510
I'm better.

974
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:52,270
I'm better.

975
01:10:56,510 --> 01:10:59,490
Victoria's Law banning puppies in pet
schools.

976
01:11:00,550 --> 01:11:06,650
How essential is it and how urgent is
it? It's the one thing that we could do

977
01:11:06,650 --> 01:11:12,970
make a huge difference immediately in
quality of life, in happiness,

978
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:16,110
in care of an animal. That's our
responsibility.

979
01:11:16,610 --> 01:11:20,190
Does it surprise you that there are some
vets out there who are opposing

980
01:11:20,190 --> 01:11:22,390
Victoria's Law? And why do you think
they would do that?

981
01:11:22,610 --> 01:11:23,549
I don't know.

982
01:11:23,550 --> 01:11:25,190
Why you would oppose...

983
01:11:25,470 --> 01:11:29,090
taking better care of our animals,
something that we've all signed up and

984
01:11:29,090 --> 01:11:32,070
pledge to do. No, it doesn't make sense
unless you're tied into it somehow.

985
01:11:33,730 --> 01:11:38,570
If you are here on the day when
something comes in so sick and something

986
01:11:38,570 --> 01:11:42,610
was so avoidable, instantly you'll get
on that wagon.

987
01:11:42,970 --> 01:11:47,310
I really believe that it is our job as
veterinarians and it is our jobs as

988
01:11:47,310 --> 01:11:49,690
humans to take care of the animals that
can't take care of themselves.

989
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:02,820
They had no patience for her.

990
01:12:03,060 --> 01:12:06,920
She was completely locked in a kennel
because they had to put something with a

991
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:08,400
lid on it because she kept escaping.

992
01:12:09,140 --> 01:12:11,860
But if I lived there, I'd want to escape
too.

993
01:12:15,020 --> 01:12:16,020
She's a good girl.

994
01:12:17,380 --> 01:12:19,880
She's got an ear infection too on this
side over here.

995
01:12:26,660 --> 01:12:29,520
She's definitely a little skinnier
compared to the other guys over here

996
01:12:30,220 --> 01:12:33,780
And she's got lots of mats on her down
here too. Her belly.

997
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,600
Those are easy. We'll take care of
those. Get some clippers.

998
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:40,800
You need a haircut.

999
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:52,830
No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It doesn't
hurt the

1000
01:12:52,830 --> 01:12:54,550
dog, does it? No, it doesn't at all.

1001
01:13:03,470 --> 01:13:04,470
Hello?

1002
01:13:06,150 --> 01:13:07,150
Yes.

1003
01:13:11,950 --> 01:13:13,330
Oh, hi. How are you?

1004
01:13:20,500 --> 01:13:21,780
Okay. What breed?

1005
01:13:23,260 --> 01:13:24,260
Sheba Eno.

1006
01:13:24,820 --> 01:13:27,260
Yeah. I remember exactly who you are.
Yeah.

1007
01:13:27,860 --> 01:13:29,400
Don't tell me you got another Sheba.

1008
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:33,800
How old?

1009
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:40,380
Okay. You know what? I'm at the vet, and
I'm just about to go into an

1010
01:13:40,380 --> 01:13:42,640
appointment. Can I give you a call back
in a little bit?

1011
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:44,520
Okay.

1012
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:49,000
Another Sheba Eno.

1013
01:13:49,550 --> 01:13:51,930
I'm getting seven this week, and he's an
eight.

1014
01:13:54,590 --> 01:13:55,590
Good girl.

1015
01:13:56,490 --> 01:13:57,269
That's great.

1016
01:13:57,270 --> 01:14:01,990
You just have these silly matchstick
things in England. Yeah, we have those

1017
01:14:02,110 --> 01:14:05,430
but I feel like this stuff is better
because it's powder, so it kind of just

1018
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:06,430
makes it look better.

1019
01:14:07,650 --> 01:14:11,370
Apparently you need to go to the
veterinary supply store before you go

1020
01:14:11,370 --> 01:14:15,450
England. What, for some of this? Yeah,
I'll get stopped in customs with powder

1021
01:14:15,450 --> 01:14:16,450
in it.

1022
01:14:18,510 --> 01:14:20,870
He was really scared of the barn.

1023
01:14:21,930 --> 01:14:22,930
Come on.

1024
01:14:26,370 --> 01:14:28,330
We're coming in with another. Oh, my
God.

1025
01:14:28,750 --> 01:14:29,850
He's very scared.

1026
01:14:30,130 --> 01:14:37,050
He's the second standard poodle I've
gotten in a week.

1027
01:14:37,770 --> 01:14:39,210
Really? Mm -hmm.

1028
01:14:41,170 --> 01:14:42,850
This is my favorite one, I think.

1029
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:44,910
I've got down.

1030
01:15:07,309 --> 01:15:11,710
When a dog is shut down, another word we
often use is they kind of just freeze.

1031
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:15,590
And a lot of times people think that,
oh, you know, they're just very calm and

1032
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:19,470
quiet. We hear a lot. But what happens
is that they're so overwhelmed with

1033
01:15:19,470 --> 01:15:20,670
emotion that...

1034
01:15:20,890 --> 01:15:25,450
They cannot express how they're feeling,
and they feel like they have no say in

1035
01:15:25,450 --> 01:15:30,110
what's going on around them. So in
certain environments, like commercial

1036
01:15:30,110 --> 01:15:34,130
breeding establishments, we see that
they don't have any control over their

1037
01:15:34,130 --> 01:15:38,510
environment, and so all they know to do
is just shut down. In more extreme

1038
01:15:38,510 --> 01:15:41,670
situations, a lot of them will be
brought to me, and we're talking about

1039
01:15:41,670 --> 01:15:45,170
medications to kind of help them cope
with their day -to -day life, and

1040
01:15:45,170 --> 01:15:47,570
sometimes we can see some more
improvement with that.

1041
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:53,260
But sometimes we can only get so far in
helping them improve that way.

1042
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:54,640
Hi.

1043
01:15:55,480 --> 01:15:56,480
It's all right.

1044
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,280
Chloe is your new name.

1045
01:16:03,060 --> 01:16:06,700
He's starting to warm up looking at her.
I know.

1046
01:16:09,660 --> 01:16:13,680
I don't want to let you get too close,
buddy. No, but... Just like a little.

1047
01:16:13,740 --> 01:16:16,080
Come here. All right, come on. Thank
you.

1048
01:16:16,440 --> 01:16:17,440
Thank you.

1049
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,120
Okay, we're ready to go out with him?
We're ready. You're ready.

1050
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:38,180
Unlike our friends in Maryland,

1051
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,860
Pennsylvania still allows pet stores to
sell puppies.

1052
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:46,160
But one campaigner has managed to close
down a pet store.

1053
01:16:46,620 --> 01:16:50,320
single -handedly using local laws known
as ordinances.

1054
01:16:56,940 --> 01:17:01,580
Hi. Hey, Mark. Cheryl, right? Yes. Nice
to meet you. Nice to meet you. I've

1055
01:17:01,580 --> 01:17:05,600
invited you to see the closed pet store
called Brookside Pups that's no longer

1056
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,020
with us. I like the sound of a closed
pet store.

1057
01:17:08,260 --> 01:17:10,860
Yeah. And you have something to do with
that, I imagine.

1058
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:12,160
I do, yeah.

1059
01:17:12,380 --> 01:17:14,360
Do you want to tell us how and why and
when?

1060
01:17:14,820 --> 01:17:15,820
Absolutely.

1061
01:17:18,510 --> 01:17:24,290
I went for the first time just in May
2022, and my life changed.

1062
01:17:25,790 --> 01:17:30,750
I decided that I was going to go to
Allentown City Council and that I was

1063
01:17:30,750 --> 01:17:32,710
to make a proposal that they enact an
ordinance.

1064
01:17:34,050 --> 01:17:39,550
Welcome to Allentown.

1065
01:17:44,930 --> 01:17:47,270
They're trying to outlaw that in the
city, too. Are they?

1066
01:17:50,540 --> 01:17:53,440
It was amazing. I started the process in
May and in October.

1067
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:57,420
I went into law and then January 17th,
shut down.

1068
01:17:57,780 --> 01:18:00,560
You know, I thought I was just doing
what you're supposed to do.

1069
01:18:00,860 --> 01:18:03,240
And I'm just, that's just me.

1070
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:04,760
One person.

1071
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:07,260
So you made the proposal.

1072
01:18:07,500 --> 01:18:10,400
You received sponsorship from the
politicians.

1073
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:12,260
Correct. And then what happened?

1074
01:18:13,140 --> 01:18:14,320
It went to committee.

1075
01:18:15,480 --> 01:18:19,400
And then I had to help gather any
pertinent information that we could use.

1076
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:21,580
to prove our case, so to speak.

1077
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:24,940
You've got to say something.

1078
01:18:25,180 --> 01:18:26,180
You say something.

1079
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:31,080
You know, ask questions, but go into
your local legislators, you know,

1080
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:32,240
government people.

1081
01:18:32,500 --> 01:18:37,840
They're working for us, so we need to go
to them and say, hey, something's not

1082
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:38,840
right here.

1083
01:18:39,500 --> 01:18:43,360
How does it make you feel that still
poppy's being sold in pet stores?

1084
01:18:43,860 --> 01:18:47,440
Well, I have a big problem with that,
but I'm very inspired now.

1085
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:49,760
We know we did it here. We can do it
elsewhere.

1086
01:18:50,260 --> 01:18:53,280
I don't know if I should say the name,
but we're coming for them.

1087
01:18:54,980 --> 01:18:59,020
Another inspiration for why I did this
was because of Victoria's Law, that

1088
01:18:59,020 --> 01:19:01,020
nothing was moving forward.

1089
01:19:01,540 --> 01:19:03,280
I'm like, we've got to do something.

1090
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,220
Yeah, we can't just sit and wait. We've
already been waiting how many years now?

1091
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:12,620
Legislators are choosing animal cruelty
and greed over what is the right thing

1092
01:19:12,620 --> 01:19:13,620
to do.

1093
01:19:20,430 --> 01:19:27,130
When everything goes to plan, what would
be your timeline for things

1094
01:19:27,130 --> 01:19:28,350
happening, passing?

1095
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:33,370
Things will slowly could get done within
the year.

1096
01:19:33,710 --> 01:19:38,150
Realistically, it's more likely it could
take the full two years because they're

1097
01:19:38,150 --> 01:19:42,690
bringing people in positions of power
who want to stop it and are willing to

1098
01:19:42,690 --> 01:19:48,290
it. And obviously having Senator
Pennycook and State Rep Jeannie McNeil

1099
01:19:48,290 --> 01:19:49,570
board, working together.

1100
01:19:50,830 --> 01:19:52,850
gives you a much, much better chance.

1101
01:19:53,150 --> 01:19:55,550
I can't really see them failing on this.

1102
01:19:56,470 --> 01:20:02,750
I really want to find out why this
basic, kind and compassionate

1103
01:20:02,750 --> 01:20:04,150
failing here in Pennsylvania.

1104
01:20:04,810 --> 01:20:08,490
Thank you, State Rep Jeannie. Can I call
you State Rep Jeannie? You can call me

1105
01:20:08,490 --> 01:20:13,690
Jeannie. Jeannie, for making time for us
today, for Sunday, being in a position

1106
01:20:13,690 --> 01:20:16,550
that you are as a decision maker, as a
lawmaker.

1107
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:23,560
give you some comfort that you're part
of the solution process to remove the

1108
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:25,860
exploitation and remove the abuse in
some way.

1109
01:20:26,730 --> 01:20:31,450
Sadly, I have the bills written, and
after five years, none have passed. I

1110
01:20:31,450 --> 01:20:35,870
stop. So I actually just met with a
representative two weeks ago from the

1111
01:20:35,890 --> 01:20:38,610
and they aren't happy with Victoria's
Law. They don't want it.

1112
01:20:39,070 --> 01:20:43,090
And it is frustrating. They're supposed
to be all about the benefit of the dogs.

1113
01:20:43,250 --> 01:20:46,490
And did they give a specific reason why?
They said because it'll go to the black

1114
01:20:46,490 --> 01:20:49,390
dark market, and the people will still
get their dogs online and such.

1115
01:20:50,590 --> 01:20:52,910
They're going to sell them no matter
what, but if we can...

1116
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:57,320
We can cut down and get rid of as many
as possible. I think it'll be a huge

1117
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:58,320
help.

1118
01:21:03,100 --> 01:21:09,380
Sounds frustrating that, you know, the
majority of Pennsylvania wants that. And

1119
01:21:09,380 --> 01:21:16,220
those who have the deepest pockets are
the ones who are winning so far. So

1120
01:21:16,220 --> 01:21:17,220
far.

1121
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:27,540
Back with Senator Pennycutt, I'm trying
to understand why a law that everyone

1122
01:21:27,540 --> 01:21:31,540
seems to want, including politicians,
isn't happening.

1123
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:34,080
I guess it could be this one.

1124
01:21:34,420 --> 01:21:35,420
Here we go.

1125
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:44,340
Hello! Hey, how are you? I'm good, how
are you doing? Good to see you.

1126
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:46,180
Oh, hi Sarah.

1127
01:21:47,700 --> 01:21:51,720
One of the guys in the house has a
chocolate lab puppy and he's bringing

1128
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:54,960
too. I've started like a little puppy
crush.

1129
01:21:55,220 --> 01:21:57,580
Yeah. You're not supposed to have dogs
in the Capitol.

1130
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:01,040
Same in Westminster, but they are
smuggled in by various MPs.

1131
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,580
Sometimes I do smuggle. Yeah. Anyway.

1132
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:05,400
Okay. Sorry.

1133
01:22:05,580 --> 01:22:06,580
Victoria's Law.

1134
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:11,100
So I was a freshman legislator in the
House and Victoria's Law was brought to

1135
01:22:11,100 --> 01:22:14,560
and they said it hasn't passed in like
four.

1136
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:18,320
I was like, okay, so you're bringing it
to me. Why? Well, you're a freshman.

1137
01:22:19,150 --> 01:22:22,090
So I kind of was like, okay, and I met
Grace.

1138
01:22:22,730 --> 01:22:27,210
And all of a sudden I was like, oh,
yeah, this is my kind of bill. I like

1139
01:22:27,210 --> 01:22:28,310
bill. This is a good bill.

1140
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:32,550
But I didn't really – this sounds
terrible.

1141
01:22:33,050 --> 01:22:38,810
I didn't really understand because I had
never bought a dog from a pet store.

1142
01:22:39,050 --> 01:22:43,030
So I made my husband drive me around the
state to 13 independent pet stores.

1143
01:22:45,260 --> 01:22:48,820
And the one that, like, just put me over
the edge was in Monroeville, outside of

1144
01:22:48,820 --> 01:22:49,820
Pittsburgh.

1145
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:55,440
And it was a dachshund -yorkie mix, so a
dorky.

1146
01:22:55,860 --> 01:23:01,240
And just the saddest eyes. It had all
this goop coming out of its eyes and all

1147
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:05,700
this goop coming out of its nose, its
snout. And I said, oh, could I hold her?

1148
01:23:06,180 --> 01:23:10,580
And she just literally just snuggled
into my neck with this horrible

1149
01:23:10,580 --> 01:23:13,040
and smelled horrible.

1150
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:14,820
I said, oh, what's this?

1151
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:16,140
What's going on with their eyes?

1152
01:23:17,540 --> 01:23:22,500
It's just a little cold from being in
the kennel. And I was like, this dog

1153
01:23:22,500 --> 01:23:23,500
not look well.

1154
01:23:23,780 --> 01:23:26,940
And the young kid says, she's $6 ,800.

1155
01:23:28,980 --> 01:23:31,320
I almost dropped the dog. And he goes,
no, no, no.

1156
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:32,580
I've got this iPad.

1157
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:37,020
Just give me your basic details and I'll
run a credit check and you can finance

1158
01:23:37,020 --> 01:23:38,020
the dog.

1159
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:43,900
And the interest rate was like 22%. So
by the end of the time you're done

1160
01:23:43,900 --> 01:23:46,730
paying. You pay like $12 ,000 for the
dog.

1161
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:48,650
Well, is there like a guarantee?

1162
01:23:48,890 --> 01:23:53,530
Like if I take the dog to the vet and
the vet says that this dog is sick, are

1163
01:23:53,530 --> 01:23:54,530
you going to give me my money? Nope.

1164
01:23:55,750 --> 01:23:56,750
I'm on the hook.

1165
01:23:56,770 --> 01:23:59,270
What if the dog dies in the first year?

1166
01:23:59,510 --> 01:24:01,190
Am I still on the hook? Yep, you're on
the hook.

1167
01:24:04,410 --> 01:24:06,230
In the U .S., it's called predatory
lending.

1168
01:24:07,150 --> 01:24:11,830
And it's just, it preys on people that
normally would not qualify for that

1169
01:24:11,830 --> 01:24:12,830
of a loan.

1170
01:24:13,750 --> 01:24:17,700
Wow. And what happens when people can't
afford to pay those repayments? They go

1171
01:24:17,700 --> 01:24:18,700
to collections.

1172
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:20,019
Which means?

1173
01:24:20,020 --> 01:24:24,660
People call you and harass you and try
to get you to refinance it, you know,

1174
01:24:24,660 --> 01:24:26,860
secure it with your car or whatever.

1175
01:24:27,100 --> 01:24:30,580
Or put it on a credit card so then
they're getting paid but you still have

1176
01:24:30,580 --> 01:24:32,060
debt. It's horrific.

1177
01:24:32,420 --> 01:24:33,420
Wow.

1178
01:24:35,540 --> 01:24:40,300
We do have a pet store here in Whitehall
right down the street and many times

1179
01:24:40,300 --> 01:24:41,300
they sell...

1180
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:46,360
dogs and puppies, and they come to us,
and we do what we can to try to reach

1181
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:48,560
out, but sadly, there's no recourse most
of the time.

1182
01:24:48,940 --> 01:24:52,300
Basically, what they say is, oh, we'll
take the dog back, and we all know

1183
01:24:52,300 --> 01:24:54,000
going to happen to that dog if they take
it back.

1184
01:24:55,220 --> 01:24:59,720
We had an undercover investigator in a
puppy store in New York. This would have

1185
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:06,420
been in late 2021, and there was a sick
puppy, and they left on

1186
01:25:06,420 --> 01:25:08,940
the Wednesday before Thanksgiving.

1187
01:25:09,770 --> 01:25:11,970
When they came back in on the Friday,
that puppy was dead.

1188
01:25:15,230 --> 01:25:20,630
When you've got so much support in the
House on both sides, so cross -party,

1189
01:25:20,770 --> 01:25:26,550
bipartisan, I believe you call it, yet
it seems so few people or organizations

1190
01:25:26,550 --> 01:25:28,930
seem to be in control of the outcome.

1191
01:25:29,710 --> 01:25:34,070
How do you deal with that? You just hit
on the biggest issue in politics in

1192
01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:38,470
Pennsylvania. Okay. It is not the
legislator that's the problem.

1193
01:25:39,259 --> 01:25:42,280
It's the lifelong bureaucrat that's the
problem.

1194
01:25:42,980 --> 01:25:49,100
As a freshman legislator, I introduced
the bill, and I think last count I had

1195
01:25:49,100 --> 01:25:50,480
co -sponsors on the bill.

1196
01:25:51,020 --> 01:25:57,120
Bipartisan? Bipartisan. Oh, I had a
Democratic co -prime, and I was told by

1197
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:01,260
staffer that how dare I introduce
Victoria's Law without speaking to her.

1198
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,440
She was the executive director of the
Agricultural Committee.

1199
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:06,660
She was never going to run the bill.

1200
01:26:07,580 --> 01:26:08,820
How dare you?

1201
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:12,940
Because this is the way it's always been
done here. So when you asked me earlier

1202
01:26:12,940 --> 01:26:15,420
if I consider myself a politician, no.

1203
01:26:16,180 --> 01:26:22,720
I think a lot of it has to do with the
lobbyists and such. And I will say this,

1204
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:28,740
that the executive director from the
committee basically said, I will never

1205
01:26:28,740 --> 01:26:30,660
another dog bill. Wow. Yeah.

1206
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:41,940
I'd really love to know why the head of
the Agricultural Committee, an unelected

1207
01:26:41,940 --> 01:26:45,960
post, insists on repeatedly blocking
Victoria's Law.

1208
01:26:50,060 --> 01:26:56,520
Sent. The main people who are opposing
Victoria's Law are the

1209
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:57,520
AKC.

1210
01:26:58,540 --> 01:27:04,580
It's called PJAC, and that's the group
that they represent, pet stores, and the

1211
01:27:04,580 --> 01:27:06,320
Pennsylvania Veterinary Medical
Association.

1212
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:14,160
Now, not all members of, let's say, the
Veterinary Association support

1213
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:19,180
their position at all. There are few
people in these trade groups who are out

1214
01:27:19,180 --> 01:27:23,340
there representing the opposition to
Victoria as well. And their membership

1215
01:27:23,340 --> 01:27:27,440
might not even know that they have voted
against something that they support.

1216
01:27:28,590 --> 01:27:33,470
Six years, which is how long we've been
fighting Victoria's Law. That's a full

1217
01:27:33,470 --> 01:27:35,370
lifetime for some puppy mill dogs.

1218
01:27:36,130 --> 01:27:40,710
They are born, they live, and they die
in that period of time.

1219
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:49,790
I've met some truly inspiring people on
my trip to America, dedicated

1220
01:27:49,790 --> 01:27:51,830
campaigners for animal welfare.

1221
01:27:52,150 --> 01:27:56,170
But I'm also aware there are dark forces
at work beneath the surface.

1222
01:27:56,680 --> 01:28:00,820
doing everything they can to make cash
from animal cruelty and abuse.

1223
01:28:01,780 --> 01:28:06,740
I really hope that Victoria's Law will
go to a government vote soon and finally

1224
01:28:06,740 --> 01:28:08,900
be passed to end so much suffering.

1225
01:28:15,060 --> 01:28:21,940
Back home, I have a pile of messages
waiting for me.

1226
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,800
The kept animals bill has been
completely dropped by the government.

1227
01:28:26,380 --> 01:28:29,500
We may have to start this campaign all
over again.

1228
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:33,840
It's quite a magical thing when everyone
works together and works the same thing

1229
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:37,620
and you kind of think it's a done deal
and then at the last minute it gets

1230
01:28:37,620 --> 01:28:41,900
dropped or it gets shelved or it gets
kicked into the long brass.

1231
01:28:42,820 --> 01:28:45,720
It's incredibly depressing, I just
think.

1232
01:28:45,940 --> 01:28:47,960
It's frustrating, depressing, it makes
you angry.

1233
01:28:50,380 --> 01:28:51,380
Welcome aboard.

1234
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:52,720
You kind of...

1235
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:03,120
Mark,

1236
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:06,260
lovely to see you. Thank you for joining
us.

1237
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:09,400
What sort of a problem is this?

1238
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:15,240
These are ticking time bombs coming into
families. There is really widespread

1239
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:16,580
support in Parliament.

1240
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:21,800
to see this legislation i haven't heard
any contrary voices to it it was really

1241
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:25,300
disappointing to see the government drop
this bill and i if i'm honest i haven't

1242
01:29:25,300 --> 01:29:28,920
really quite understood why because
there was strong cross -party support so

1243
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:32,680
politicians and government ministers
watching please get on with the live

1244
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:36,640
animals exports spanning primates as
pets uh some of those other major issues

1245
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:40,500
that really need to make progress not
just for animals but for human welfare

1246
01:29:40,500 --> 01:29:43,480
mental health absolutely mark thank you
very much indeed

1247
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:48,898
It's mental.

1248
01:29:48,900 --> 01:29:50,720
It's mental. And that's what we're
experiencing.

1249
01:29:51,700 --> 01:29:53,920
And that's why we have to keep on
fighting.

1250
01:29:57,060 --> 01:29:58,060
Hey, Mark.

1251
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:00,540
How are you doing? All right. How are
you?

1252
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:02,980
Good. Lovely to see you. And you too.
How was America?

1253
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:04,400
It was interesting.

1254
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:07,100
Yeah? Very interesting. It was all sorts
of emotions.

1255
01:30:07,770 --> 01:30:11,430
But the third thing I have to report
back is grace and the love. Oh, that's

1256
01:30:11,430 --> 01:30:14,790
lovely. That's really good to hear. She
wanted to hear all about what you're up

1257
01:30:14,790 --> 01:30:16,030
to. Victoria's Law?

1258
01:30:16,330 --> 01:30:18,470
Victoria's Law is making progress
slowly.

1259
01:30:18,770 --> 01:30:21,910
Yeah. But it's definitely going in the
right direction. And what about the kept

1260
01:30:21,910 --> 01:30:22,849
animals bill?

1261
01:30:22,850 --> 01:30:28,050
Kept animals bill at the moment,
incredibly depressing. We waited over a

1262
01:30:28,050 --> 01:30:30,370
for progress to be made and it was just
dropped.

1263
01:30:30,590 --> 01:30:31,590
Reason?

1264
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:35,940
God, who knows what's going on behind
the scenes. Over 80 % of support for all

1265
01:30:35,940 --> 01:30:37,480
of these things from the UK public.

1266
01:30:37,740 --> 01:30:41,580
Yeah. And they're ignoring it. All being
ignored. So what does that leave people

1267
01:30:41,580 --> 01:30:45,220
to think? That they don't care. Yeah.
And it makes you think, who is putting

1268
01:30:45,220 --> 01:30:48,060
strings behind these decision makers?

1269
01:30:53,540 --> 01:30:54,540
Hello, Dr. Abraham.

1270
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:58,400
Thank you for reaching out, but we don't
have any law in Pennsylvania referred

1271
01:30:58,400 --> 01:30:59,580
to as Victoria's Law.

1272
01:31:00,170 --> 01:31:02,630
so I will not be participating in your
documentary.

1273
01:31:03,210 --> 01:31:04,210
Here's Kerry.

1274
01:31:04,310 --> 01:31:07,770
So she's not even valuing it as
something that even exists.

1275
01:31:08,470 --> 01:31:12,310
It's just a bit disappointing sometimes,
because it would be nice to learn why

1276
01:31:12,310 --> 01:31:17,070
some of these individuals, politicians,
organisations, are so against something

1277
01:31:17,070 --> 01:31:19,970
that is quite clearly prioritising
animal welfare.

1278
01:31:36,460 --> 01:31:37,460
What a healthy pup.

1279
01:31:39,060 --> 01:31:43,300
Absolute pleasure to meet you all today.
And thanks for doing everything

1280
01:31:43,300 --> 01:31:48,100
correctly and responsibly in the right
way. And have great lives, little pup.

1281
01:31:48,340 --> 01:31:49,340
Oh, they're going to.

1282
01:31:49,660 --> 01:31:51,280
They've certainly set up for success.

1283
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:52,720
Yes.

1284
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:59,700
It appears that some parts of the kept
animals bill have resurfaced, including

1285
01:31:59,700 --> 01:32:04,260
banning puppy smuggling. So we keep on
fighting to get them over the line.

1286
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:09,820
The latest from Grace is that Victoria's
Law is still stuck in Pennsylvania's

1287
01:32:09,820 --> 01:32:13,260
political system, with zero plans to put
it to a vote.

1288
01:32:13,900 --> 01:32:19,540
And in much better news, another state,
the state of Oregon, has now made

1289
01:32:19,540 --> 01:32:21,580
selling puppies in pet stores illegal.

1290
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:30,100
And just six months after that day,
collecting dogs from the Amish, here are

1291
01:32:30,100 --> 01:32:33,000
just a few of the little legends in
their new loving homes.

1292
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:37,440
with their new families enjoying their
new freedom.

1293
01:32:41,580 --> 01:32:46,680
Right now, in the United States, animal
shelters are at a crisis point.

1294
01:32:46,940 --> 01:32:51,540
So I really encourage people who are
looking for a new dog to come into the

1295
01:32:51,540 --> 01:32:56,060
household, to look at the shelter, visit
a rescue, and find the one that you

1296
01:32:56,060 --> 01:32:57,200
really connect with.

1297
01:32:58,339 --> 01:33:02,900
Petfinder .com is a great place to
start. The local shelter is a great

1298
01:33:02,900 --> 01:33:07,200
start. We have adoption events at
PetSmart, at local charities.

1299
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:11,320
Go there. And, you know, don't always go
for the cute little puppy.

1300
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:14,700
Sometimes those senior dogs are the best
dogs.

1301
01:33:15,440 --> 01:33:19,120
My little tater tot's eight years old.
You would never know she's eight because

1302
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:22,020
she acts like a puppy. But she's lovely.

1303
01:33:22,580 --> 01:33:25,960
And she deserves a second chance like
everybody else.

1304
01:33:47,069 --> 01:33:52,050
In an ideal world, that would happen,
that people would come to rescues and

1305
01:33:52,050 --> 01:33:54,490
adopt dogs rather than purchasing.

1306
01:33:54,910 --> 01:33:58,830
But we know that's not going to happen.
We know people are always going to buy,

1307
01:33:59,050 --> 01:34:02,070
but it's about educating the public.

1308
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:08,460
to know how to buy and where to buy and
what to look for, and also to make sure

1309
01:34:08,460 --> 01:34:13,820
that whatever puppy they purchase is
suitable for their lifestyle.

1310
01:34:24,440 --> 01:34:28,900
Nobody needs a puppy right the second
you have time to make a good decision.

1311
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:33,700
The people who do take the time wind up
on the better side of things and wind up

1312
01:34:33,700 --> 01:34:35,380
making more humane, compassionate
decisions.

1313
01:34:37,500 --> 01:34:41,420
They don't have the opportunity to have
their voices heard.

1314
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:48,760
So it's for those of us that care and
understand and appreciate

1315
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:55,220
that it's my voice that needs to be out
there representing our animals.

1316
01:34:56,380 --> 01:34:57,620
Everyone can do something.

1317
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:02,180
whether you're signing a petition,
whether you're sharing a campaign post,

1318
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:06,460
whether you want to write to your MP,
there's something we can all do from

1319
01:35:06,460 --> 01:35:09,640
if you want to campaign and you want to
make a difference.

1320
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:14,000
Tell your friends, tell your neighbours,
hey, have you ever looked into puppy

1321
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:18,720
mills? Because they exist in
Pennsylvania, in Missouri, in Illinois,

1322
01:35:19,140 --> 01:35:20,160
It's got to stop.

1323
01:35:24,300 --> 01:35:25,740
We don't need...

1324
01:35:26,110 --> 01:35:27,930
Drama, we don't need hysteria.

1325
01:35:28,450 --> 01:35:35,430
We need hard -headed, logical support
that says, this is wrong, we want you

1326
01:35:35,430 --> 01:35:36,430
to put it right.

1327
01:35:39,830 --> 01:35:44,910
There's many levels of frustration and
depression and anger, but we just have

1328
01:35:44,910 --> 01:35:48,610
keep going and we have to be positive
and we have to support each other

1329
01:35:48,610 --> 01:35:53,210
the more we work together, the more
likely change is going to happen

1330
01:35:53,370 --> 01:35:58,280
If we don't do it... and the public
aren't engaged, then it's never going to

1331
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:02,240
happen. So I guess what I'm trying to
say is, be part of the solution.

1332
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:07,740
Because if you don't, then you've got to
ask yourself, who else will?

1333
01:36:37,870 --> 01:36:42,150
I love tea. I love it. So hopefully
that's enough to get you through the

1334
01:36:42,150 --> 01:36:43,150
few days.

1335
01:36:45,550 --> 01:36:47,110
This is the kind of gift I love.

1336
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:51,550
I'm a racist reader. I read three books
a month. It's like you just knew. And I

1337
01:36:51,550 --> 01:36:54,150
know you legislatures love a rosette.
Oh.

1338
01:36:54,570 --> 01:36:57,530
And I also have an extra special tea for
you. Oh.

1339
01:36:58,230 --> 01:36:59,450
Gosh, I can't handle it.

1340
01:37:01,350 --> 01:37:05,650
Some of them for you.

1341
01:37:08,030 --> 01:37:09,950
There's more of them. Oh, my God.

1342
01:37:11,130 --> 01:37:14,310
I mean, really, you can have all of
them.

1343
01:37:14,690 --> 01:37:15,690
Thanks.

1344
01:37:16,770 --> 01:37:19,870
I love Percy Pig. Thank you so much.

1345
01:37:20,110 --> 01:37:21,370
Oh, my God. Oh,

1346
01:37:22,830 --> 01:37:24,230
thank you. I'll be right back.

1347
01:37:24,470 --> 01:37:25,470
Sure.

1348
01:37:26,110 --> 01:37:27,570
I love Percy Pig.